ChopRacing

I asked this some where else but i figured i would ask here since there are more involved people on here with the races.

Basiclly like the question asks, why are the good riders allowed to compete in c class or woodsmand class?

I noticed when i raced my hare scramble there were some fast guys there were clearly good riders in the woodsman class. Unlesss im mistaken i thought this was a beginner class and the next class up is for guys that have a little more skill.

I noticed a similar thing at nemx on sunday. It was only a practice day but there were some riders there in c class that were almost flying over my head and could forsure be in a b class atleast. I assume they compete in c.

The fastest riders at skyview hs got 10 laps. Guys in woodsman got 9 and 8 laps they shoudl be forced up.

I know i am not the only person that feels this way and sorry if this post comes off as bitching, this is just something i observed as a new racer and think is wrong. Any real racer should get satisfaction winning over equal or better riders, not guys you know you can smoke

DJ, sometimes people who run woodsman or a C class happen to be quite talented. They might be a first year racer, but be better than people who have been doing it for awhile. Also, the top 3 finishers in woodsman for the year do get advanced. They cannot run woodsman again. Also, any class champion from the full size bike classes cannot run woodsman.

Tyler Thomas is leading woodsman this year. He's won a number of races, and he gets alot of laps every race. Last year he didn't race a full season, and I don't think he won any events last year. Harescrambler16 has been one of the better riders this year. He's alot better now than he was at the beginning of the year, but it's also his first year on a big bike. He ran trail bike last year. So don't assume someone's sandbagging just because they're fast. For sure some people are sandbagging, but most are not.

this is my first year racing woodsman..yea theres some fast guys..but almost every single guy that i know of that races woodsman is his first year or raced a few last year..top 3 at the end of the year will be moved out of the class next year

like the guys said, you can be any speed your FIRST year racing unfortunately. ive heard many frustrations about it, bottom line is a beginners class can be wide open.

thanks thats all i needed to know. Im not accusing the top guys of sand bagging at all, just was wondering about it and all. Also theres a difference betwen first year racers and a first year racer thats been riding their whole life. Again, im not trying to complain about anything, just trying to educate myself since im new to this also. I can care less about winning at this moment so it does not matter who i race againt.

I thought the same thing at my first race, but to my suprise the guy that was lapping all of us moved up in the last race of the season . Beginners classes can be very fast depending on a lot of things. If your on a budget machine you already have a dissadvantage. Lots of money and a bit of experience can go a long way on the track . I started racing this year in mid season, on a 350 Warrior . My last race of the year I was beating a 450r , and a 660Raptor . I just try to watch the faster guys and learn from them. Also , ask them how they do it ?

i agree with the riding your whole life and just starting out idea. the beginner rule does let guys who know they have an advantage slide on in, which isnt right, but again its unfortunate.

i understand where you are coming from dj cleveland. I am Tyler Thomas and am pretty sure i am the person you are talking about. Last year i raced 10 times or so and each time i was being lapped by zach chamberlan, mike atherton, and the rest of the leaders in the woodsman class. I had no hope at all to be competitive with them. Also, my best finish was a fourth place and the rest of my finishes were, at times, pretty bad. If you notice on the cra website, my finishes even in the beginning of this year werent all that impressive until the one Mansfield race were i got my first, first place finish ever. Its not like i came into this race season as a sesoned rider. In fact i have only been riding dirt bikes for about three years now. It is only my first full year of raceing and the reason it seems like i shuld be in a higher class is only because i improved enough over this season to be good enough to race in a higher class. It is only recently, as in the last month or so that i have been able to finish a race only one lap down from the overall leaders. I dont want you to think that i am some jerk that is in the woodsman class only because i can win in that class. Last, it is pretty much the same way for every class. Look at an overall sheet for almost any race and you will notice that the top guys in alot of the classes are in the top ten while the rest are scatered throughout the rest of the results. That is the way that it is in the cra and i personnaly wish the would divide the classes into A B and C instead of the way they are currently divideing them up. Next year i will be in either 4 stk or open so you wont have to worry about me.

really most of us in the class wasnt doin that good at the beginning of the year..now look at us haha

well tyler good job man and hopefully i can improve the way you did. Im not accusing anyone that won as a sandbagger or anything at all and your not a jerk. I was just trying to find out if there were rules that bumped people up or if anyone even paid attenion to the sand bagggers if thats even possible in h.s.

Maybe the issuue is people just think they automatically into the woodsman so they enter it or they enter it cause theres more riders? I noticed woodmand has a ton of riders and the others classes no where near as much at skyview. maybe guys dont think to move up?